Srila Giri Maharaja “Is ‘the real guru parampara’ Real?”

Date: 12/11/22

To: “the real guru parampara” (the name you used to contact me).

You wrote this to me:

“your govinda maharaj was a dangerous man he would punch and knock down srila sridhar maharaj , that is why some godbrothers tryed to throw govinda from the roof but you dont know all this .

Your statement is what is known in law as conjecture or hearsay. For such a statement to have weight it must come from a recognized authority such as guru, shastra or sadhu. At the very least it should be supported by some material fact or reason. You offer neither.

It’s not reasonable to think Srila Sridhara Maharaja considered Govinda Maharaja someone that abused him and would then select him to serve as his sole successor to fully represent him after his disappearance.

Your next most obvious mistake is one of simple logic. When you write ”you dont know all this” you are presenting a logical fallacy. Because you have no factual basis to know what I know or do not know about the statement you made you cannot know that I ”dont know all this.”

You have failed the test of logic. Let’s see if you are able to succeed on any other front.

Taken as a whole, I believe your statement to me to be a lie intended to destroy my faith in Srila Govinda Maharaja. But even if it were true, it is of no consequence. What is consequential is who Srila Sridhara Maharaja chose to stay with him and who he discarded. He choose Srila Govinda Maharaja to stay with him and was willing to discard all others, if only Govinda Maharaja remained with him. Maybe this is something you do not know.

Perhaps you don’t know this either.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: [I]n this Math and in any Math under this Math, he will be the representative. If anyone cannot accept this, he may leave the Math rather than stay here and disturb the peace of the Math. With all my sincerity and good feelings to Guru-Gauranga, to the Vaishnavas and the acharyyas, Maha­prabhu, Pancha-Tattva, Radha-Govinda and Their Parsadas, with all my sincere prayers to Them, henceforth he will ­represent me in this affair beginning from today’s function.

—Gaura-Purnima, 26th March, 1986

This statement of Srila Sridhara Maharaja — and one to follow below — acts like this statement in a Will: “I revoke all wills and codicils that I have previously made.” It is Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s final determination about Srila Govinda Maharaja’s position. Whatever happened before should be discarded as irrelevant and cannot be used to make any claim against what Srila Govinda Maharaja inherited from Srila Sridhara Maharaja. And what he inherited was all his property, everything, ”wholesale.”

Dr. Asthana: Is the empowerment to Govinda Maharaj now temporary or permanent?

Srila Guru Maharaj: Permanent. Wholesale—both property and the function—transferred. If anyone has no recognition of this opinion of mine, I do not want them to live in the Mission. I drag them out.

Dr. Asthana: But can they operate from outside and still operate as a part and parcel of you?

Srila Guru Maharaj: As a revolt. That is revolt—without sanction—anyone can do. I have deserted them. But they may do anything and everything as they wish and reap the results far from the spiritual world, from God. Unlawful.

Power may be extended and withdrawn also—I want to withdraw myself from them. Those that won’t have faith in my decision, I withdraw from them. It is not a fashion but a question of faith. If they have no such faith in me, I withdraw myself from them.

—ibid

You are wrong to say “your govinda maharaj was a dangerous man.” It’s not that he ”was a dangerous man”, he is a dangerous man. He continues to pose a threat to people like you, but not for the reasons you propose. It’s not that he threatens you physically; but, because he fully represents Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s siddhanta, he threatens your tightly held misconceptions about Krishna Consciousness.

Judging from your message to me you are a prakrta-bhakta, a materialistic devotee, if you are a devotee at all (I’ll know better about this after getting some more information about you.).

You intended your statement to disturb or destroy my faith in Srila Govinda Maharaja. Maybe you hoped I would post it on our website so the faith of others would also be disturbed. I am posting it, but not for your reasons. I will do so so that others know the truth about blasphemers like you who pose no real threat to anyone because they are so cowardly they are afraid to even identify themselves. If it turns out that you have succeeded in disturbing anyone’s faith in His Divine Grace, Srila Govinda Maharaja; faith that is so easily shaken was not much faith at all, so it will be more or less inconsequential.

I believe you lash out in the way you have because you cannot tolerate the fact that Srila Sridhara Maharaja named Srila Govinda Maharaja as his only successor and declared openly that everyone should accept Srila Govinda Maharaja with the same faith they have in him.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Those who have any regard for me should give this respect and position to Govinda Maharaj as my successor. As much as you have faith in my sincerity, then with all ­sincerity I believe that he has got the capacity of rendering service in this way.

—ibid

Abusing Srila Govinda Maharaja, as you intended to do, proves you do not respect Srila Sridhara Maharaja or have any faith in him. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja advised us that he considered Srila Sridhara Maharaja to be his siksha guru and his disciples should respect him in that way.

“I can refer you to one who is most highly competent of all my god-brothers. This is B.R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru, so what to speak of the benefit that you can have from his association.”

—Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami, Letter to: Hrsikesa, 31 January, 1969

By abusing Srila Govinda Maharaja, you abuse Srila Sridhara Maharaja and, thereby, Srila Swami Maharaja, Prabhupada. Abusers of saints are considered to be residents of hell.

arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhīr guruṣu nara-matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhir
viṣṇor vā vaiṣṇavānāṁ kali-mala-mathane pāda-tīrthe ‘mbu-buddhiḥ
śrī-viṣṇor nāmni mantre sakala-kaluṣa-he śabda-sāmānya-buddhir
viṣṇau sarveśvareśe tad-itara-sama-dhīr yasya vā nārakī saḥ

“One who thinks the Deity in the temple to be made of wood or stone, who thinks of the spiritual master in the disciplic succession as an ordinary man, who thinks the Vaiṣṇava in the Acyuta-gotra to belong to a certain caste or creed or who thinks of caraṇāmṛta or Ganges water as ordinary water is taken to be a resident of hell.” (Padma Purāṇa) From the purport to: SB 4.21.12

Hopefully you are just foolish, will be corrected by your guru and seek forgiveness for your nonsense behavior so that you may be saved from the miseries of hell.

Since you have no regard for any of the aforementioned great spiritual personalities who I glorify and adore on our website, what business do you have with me? Why are you visiting our website at all, what to speak of using it to contact me?

Fortunately, for your sake, what you wrote about Srila Govinda Maharaja cannot be taken seriously because you are not a serious person.

You wrote to me anonymously because you are not genuine. You are like a knock-off (an imitation) of an established and respected brand. You are light, like vapor in the wind. Therefore, not only do I not take you seriously, no one else will either.

If you want to be taken seriously you must identify yourself.

What is your name?

Where do you live?

Who is your guru (the guru of what you call “the real guru parampara”)?

Who is your guru’s guru?

Tell me how to contact your guru to verify you are acting on his instructions when you send me messages such as the one I just received from you.

If you will not identify your guru it means you have no father. Of course you have a father, everyone does, but you seem to be a bastard disciple whose guru does not want it to be known he has you as a disciple.

If your guru has disowned you, why should I, or anyone else, pay any attention to you?

So, I won’t give you or your offensive remarks about Srila Govinda Maharaja any serious attention until I know who your guru is and can verify you are acting according to his instructions.

Until then I assume you are something like a two year old throwing a tantrum, which cannot possibly represent “the real guru parampara”, but only a child acting out.

Hopefully your tantrum will come to the notice of your guru so that he can correct you. Maybe he will find a ”time out” to be in order. That might be a good start.

In summary, you appear to be what is commonly known as a loser.

In your statement you display faults that include, but are not limited to, the following:

You lack authority.

You offer no verifiable facts.

You lack reason.

You failed a test of logic.

You confused the consequential with that which is of no consequence; you emphasized the importance of form over substance.

You used the wrong tense of ”is”: “your govinda maharaj was a dangerous man.”

You did not identify yourself, your guru or any other connection with spiritual authority that might cause one to take you seriously.

You call yourself ”the real guru parampara” without identifying yourself with any known legitimate sampradaya.

I look forward to your reply.

Sincerely,

Swami B.K. Giri

Original Contact Form Submission received on 12/11/22

Your Name: “the real guru parampara”
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Message to Srila Giri Maharaja: your govinda maharaj was a dangerous man he would punch and knock down srila sridhar maharaj , that is why some godbrothers tryed to throw govinda from the roof but you dont know all this .

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